Big.Mike Posted November 21, 2012 Posted November 21, 2012 Hi All, My brake lines feel a little exposed and are only held on by cable ties. Any suggestions as to improve this? Cheers, Mike Quote
Team Idris Posted November 21, 2012 Posted November 21, 2012 Other than making some steel covers or running them down a tube there isn't much that can be done. And even then stuff wraps around the axel and gives them a sharp bend at the wheel end Best process is regular inspection and carry a spare. But they very often still work when flattened ! Quote
mmgemini Posted November 21, 2012 Posted November 21, 2012 Cable ties do the job just fine. I've not had a problem using them on either my Defender or my rally cars. As long as they're behind the casing they should be fine. Quote
landroversforever Posted November 21, 2012 Posted November 21, 2012 Mine are only held on with cable ties like that... much easier to take off the rear calipers then - just cut the cable ties. Quote
mike080381 Posted November 21, 2012 Posted November 21, 2012 Do they not have to be held on with proper p clips and not cable ties? I thought it was an MOT failure to have brake pipes that are "free to vibrate"? Or did I just have an overly picky MOT tester in the past? Mike Quote
Retroanaconda Posted November 21, 2012 Posted November 21, 2012 I've had brake lines failed for retention using cable ties. I've also had them pass without issue. Same tester. Make of that what you will But the proper way, or rather the way they come out of the factory, is to use the clips as Mike says above. See here: Clips highlighted. The brake pipe should not touch the axle casing at any point, it should be supported solely by the clips, the T-piece above the diff, and the calipers themselves. It's worth noting that plastic clips as per the above photo were used on later models. Earlier vehicles used a metal P-clip (that held it very securely but seized easily), but the same principle applied in terms of support. Think the changeover was around 300Tdi time, the above axle is 300Tdi and the axle that was on before it (200Tdi) had metal P-clips instead. Quote
dave88sw Posted November 22, 2012 Posted November 22, 2012 My MOT inspector told me that cable ties direct to the casing ought to be a fail but if you were to slit a rubber hose and wrap around the pipe before putting the tie around it, it will pass. As long as the pipe is supported and theres no risk of abrasion there's no reason it shouldnt pass Quote
Big.Mike Posted November 22, 2012 Author Posted November 22, 2012 My MOT inspector told me that cable ties direct to the casing ought to be a fail but if you were to slit a rubber hose and wrap around the pipe before putting the tie around it, it will pass. As long as the pipe is supported and theres no risk of abrasion there's no reason it shouldnt pass It just so happens I bought Daisy of an MOT inspector, replaced the brake line; so go figure! It was more a "I don't like it" than a MOT concern. Can anyone suggest any p-clips? Quote
Orgasmic Farmer Posted November 22, 2012 Posted November 22, 2012 When I reconditioned my axle I welded tabs on to the axle and bolted small rubber lined P clips to them. I also welded some bar at the ends to support the upsweep of the pipe to the caliper and used cable ties to fasten the pipe on there after first wrapping the pipe in plastic spiral cable cover. Quote
Orgasmic Farmer Posted November 22, 2012 Posted November 22, 2012 http://www.autoelectricsupplies.co.uk/product_list/65 http://www.autoelectricsupplies.co.uk/product/337/category/66 Quote
Diablo Posted November 23, 2012 Posted November 23, 2012 I used rubber lined stainless P clips on mine. got them for a few quid from ebay. Quote
GW8IZR Posted November 24, 2012 Posted November 24, 2012 welded tags, stainless nutsert and p-clips here. they will pass without comment and will still need drilling out and replacing in the future.... Quote
JeffR Posted November 25, 2012 Posted November 25, 2012 try here: http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/m.html?item=220926518298&pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item33703f241a&_ssn=jsclips&rt=nc Quote
ejparrott Posted December 4, 2012 Posted December 4, 2012 Series have a small plastic clip which has a slot in the back for a cable tie to hold the clip to the axle tube Quote
Big.Mike Posted December 5, 2012 Author Posted December 5, 2012 Series have a small plastic clip which has a slot in the back for a cable tie to hold the clip to the axle tube Is it me or do series have lots of good little ideas like this, that defenders just lack? Quote
Retroanaconda Posted December 5, 2012 Posted December 5, 2012 Series have a small plastic clip which has a slot in the back for a cable tie to hold the clip to the axle tube These? My Defender had those on it's original rear axle, though they we're used for the axle breather not the brake pipe. That was attached via metal p-clips as above. Quote
subseauk Posted January 31, 2013 Posted January 31, 2013 These? My Defender had those on it's original rear axle, though they we're used for the axle breather not the brake pipe. That was attached via metal p-clips as above. Where can you find these mate?? Quote
Retroanaconda Posted January 31, 2013 Posted January 31, 2013 http://www.lrseries.com/shop/product/listing/9006/NRC9246-BRAKE-PIPE-CLIP.html There or a multitude of other retailers. Part number NRC9246. Quote
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